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Trying to Fly with One Wing, Part 18: The Truth Seeking Principle -- At All Costs

April 9, 2008

During a recent televised presidential debate the journalist moderating the event asked candidate Fred Thompson to explain his solution for a particular vexing problem in the country and reminded Mr. Thompson that he had but two minutes to answer. Thompson flatly refused to answer the question, and derided the moderator for suggesting that the problem, which had a long history, could somehow be solved, let alone explained, in two minutes.

Bravo! Thompson, in so many words, declared that the bigger problem with society was illustrated by the stupidity of the question and the expectation that truth could be discovered so easily.

I might add that another big part of the problem is the refusal of journalism schools to require their students to successfully pass a wide range of liberal arts courses like logic, statistics, basic science, literature, history, psychological and philosophy. It seems that sometimes the only courses some of these "journalists" take are "How To Pass Off Opinion as Objective Reporting," "How To Remove Your Makeup without Removing Your Arrogance", and "Hiding Zits in a High Def Era."

Thompson illustrated one of the great principles of seeking truth that our society has tragically lost — that truth must be sought at all costs, even if that means talking through a commercial break, costing the network thousands and the candidate the election.

The Truth Seeking Principle

This series of articles is desperately seeking to explain how reason must be used responsibly in the discovery of truth. All humanity arrives at truth through the application of faith and reason, even if they claim to be atheists, rationalists, or agnostics. Faith and reason are like "two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth" (John Paul II, Fides et Ratio). Truth does not come to us by faith alone, nor does it come by reason alone. To rely on one to the exclusion of the other is to fly blind with only one wing, mostly in circles, before you crash and burn in a pile of irrational assumptions.

This installment is about T. Edward Damer's The Truth Seeking Principle, the 2nd principle from his "Code of Conduct for Effective Rational Discussion."

This principle encourages each participant in a discussion to earnestly seek out the truth at all costs, regardless of prejudice, presuppositions, perceived values, emotions, time, hurt feelings, political parties, — did I leave anything out... oh, yeah — religion. The Truth Seeking Principle demands that we listen humbly to opposing viewpoints and demand good evidence with respect and diligence.

How hard can that be? Plenty! Just turn on your TV (...or don't).

The O'Reilly Factor

Sound bytes, demanded by the mainstream media, are a condemnation of our society and its ability to discover what is true and what will bring us happiness. If the Fred Thompson example wasn't enough, every night on TV the problem is reinforced by a top rated commentary program — The Bill O'Reilly Show.

Here is a man who claims to be a conservative, a Catholic, and has even named his show "The No Spin Zone", which in the political vernacular of our day suggests that Bill O'Reilly is trying to apply The Truth Seeking Principle.  But O'Reilly, regardless of his position on the issues, is a demagogue when it comes to seeking the truth, unless it's his truth.  O'Reilly also demands that his guests pander to his show's fast paced format, explaining complicated positions or sophisticated concepts in seconds. Recently, O'Reilly's guest was a Catholic priest whom O'Reilly seemed to enjoy intimidating by demanding that the priest explain the historical basis of a particularly involved Church teaching — in 30 seconds. It was an impossible task that no one could have achieved. Meekly, the priest began, only to be interrupted by O'Reilly 15 seconds later because the priest wasn't going fast enough or in the right direction to fit O'Reilly's pre-conceived opinion. The pope couldn't have answered the question any faster, except to quickly tell Bill where he (O'Reilly) was heading unless he put The Truth Seeking Principle ahead of The Nielson Rating Principle. I'm imagining O'Reilly at the pearly gates. St. Peter says, "Okay, Bill, you've got 30 seconds to explain to me why I outta let you in." After 30 seconds of Bill's hemmin' and hawin' St. Peter stops him: "Sorry Bill, but times up, and this is the real "No Spin Zone."

Religion and Talk Shows

 Sean Hannity, another well-known talk show host who happens to be "Catholic", is not so "Catholic" when it comes to certain topics like his embrace of artificial birth control under the fallacy of something called "false alternatives" where he assumes that women have one of two options: artificial birth control or abortion. He totally ignores the option of self-discipline and obedience to the whole moral law. He is a moral relativist on this position. March 9, 2007, Sean's producer's invited Fr. Thomas Euteneuer (Human Life International President) onto the Hannity and Colmes show. Fr. Euteneuer challenged Hannity on-air for using the public platform for taking a position that was contrary to Catholic doctrine. In answer to a question about Hannity by Colmes, Fr. Euteneuer said:

One is not obligated to use their public platform for preaching the tenets of Catholicism, but one is simply obliged not to be a heretic in public. That's the point. If he [Hannity] doesn't agree with his Church on that matter he should not be pronouncing on the matter as if he was the authority on that matter.

Colmes barely got in another word. Hannity, like an arrogant adolescent, railed at Fr. Euteneuer, interrupting him multiple times:

Reverend....You call me a hypocrite. You question the depth of my faith. Do you know anything about me and my religious beliefs? And my background religion? Do you know anything about me?... Judge not lest you be judged, Reverend. Maybe you ought to spend a little more time that our Church covered up one of the worst sex scandals and I wasn't involved in it.... You want to ostracize me? You want to excommunicate me? Do you know that I went to a seminary? Do you know that I studied Latin? Do you know that I studied theology? Do you know anything about my background? Anything at all, sir?... So I'm not a good enough Catholic for you? I'm not a good enough Christian for you?" [To read Fr. Euteuner's blog posts about this incident go here.]

For all the good that talk-commentary shows do in the pursuit of truth, this was a tragic moment. In this case Sean Hannity clearly had no interest in truth, only in defending a misguided, heretical position. Any of the questions he rhetorically flung at the priest could take at least an hour to resolve in the Confessional, and perhaps longer if Sean could be persuaded to go to Confession, in which case his wife should be prepared to bring him meals for a few days (or maybe a fast for Sean would be more important).

Come to think of it, wouldn't it be great to see O'Reilly or Hannity come on some night, with a humble look on his face and in a quiet voice declare, "Ladies and gentlemen, I went to confession the other day. It was a long time — not just that I hadn't been confession in a long time, but how long it took. And my penance is, well, — I'm not sure how to say this, but — my penance is that I have utilize my whole show tonight to apologize for all the mean, hateful things I've said about people publicly over the last year and say something nice about each of them, without qualification. If I don't do this, as Fr. Larry Richards said (publicly): "You're going to hell." So, here goes. If you don't mind I'm going to read this so I don't forget anything or anybody: To Mrs. Clinton...."

Lord, have mercy! As much as I don't particularly care for Mrs. Clinton, I'd pay $1,000 to see O'Reilly do that, and at least $500 for Hannity. What about you?

Truth Is about Deliberate Diligence

Seeking truth requires diligence, slow deliberate discussion, sacrificing sacred cows, side-stepping prejudices, and demolishing bully pulpits and soap boxes. Twenty years out of college, I telephoned one of my favorite professors, philosopher Dr. Royal Mulholland, and asked his advice about pursuing a Ph.D. in philosophy. Mulholland was an Evangelical Christian who taught within the framework of Protestant denominationalism. I was not expecting the advice that he offered; it was contrary to everything we had been taught as Protestants. Among other things, he said, "Wherever you apply, Stan, my strong suggestion is that you go to a Catholic university. That is the only place you are going to get a solid foundation in philosophy. Because of Catholicism's long history in critical thinking, and the great philosophers in that tradition like Augustine and Aquinas, they have much more figured out than anyone else."

That was astounding advice, from a respected Evangelical philosopher. But it clearly revealed his willingness to seek the truth, regardless of institutional suppositions and denominational prejudice.

Pam, my beloved wife, points continually to Mulholland inadvertently shoving our minds toward Catholicism in his quest for truth. During his introductory philosophy course, which all students at Greenville College had to take, Mulholland posed the question "What constitutes truth?" and asked us to identify the essential ingredients of Christianity. He created a scenario that put us on a distant planet as space explorers, and there we observed what appeared to be intelligent life forms. Based on what we observed we were to answer two questions: How could we know if the life forms we observed had souls? And how might we know they if were Christian?

Imaginary Friends and Martians

Over the weeks that followed, in our search for truth we hid behind imaginary hills, rocks, trees, and bushes and watched our imaginary friends. What differentiated them from other animals, vegetables and minerals? Did they use tools? Did they plan ahead, and if so, how far ahead? Did they show signs of a moral conscience? Did they seem to possess sophisticated rules of living? Did they bury their dead? Did they practice what appeared to be ritual and if so what would that tell us? Did they demonstrat forbearance, forgiveness and the ability to sacrifice for the good of others? What was their source of truth, if you could know that? And, most importantly, how could we know that the conclusions of our observations were true? That is, two observers could see the same thing but come to different conclusions; so, where was the check and balance of right interpretation?

The purpose of the exercise, that employed outside reading and classroom discussion, had really nothing to do with extraterrestrial life, but everything to do with terrestrial life — us, here on Earth, now. The real questions were: What is the truth of whether or not mankind is different from animals, vegetables, and minerals? And if we have souls, what distinguishes the Christian? Or, what is the meaning of human life?

Being raised Evangelicals, and graduating from a very good and rigorous Evangelical liberal arts college, Pam and I were indoctrinated to believe that we did have a soul, and that what made us Christians was faith in Jesus Christ, a mental assent in our minds and hearts that we were obligated to also proclaim with our lips. Our souls were the spiritual part of our being, which was fed by our faith (which was spiritual), and what mattered, for eternity, were these spiritual beliefs, ascents, and understandings.

Recounting this exercise now reminds me of how Catholics may appear to non-Catholics trying to figure us out. We act like Martians who can't decide if we want to sit, stand, kneel, bow, genuflect or lay prostrate. We kiss statues, crosses, rings, waving our arms in front of us, splashing water on each other fully clothed, and talk in some high-pitched gobbledygook language (that's what Martians speak I'm told — we call it Latin) and we expect them to think we're human and Christian. Are we naïve or what?

Where the Spiritual Meets the Physical

Mulholland, however, was after us to seek the truth on a deeper level, in a place where our spiritual faith rubbed up against the broken concrete and tectonic plates of the physical world here on Earth. He led us to the conclusion that what we observed in others, and thus what others observed in us, in the physical realm, had everything to do with our soulfulness and our Christian faith. In other words, you cannot separate the spiritual and the physical realms. They are one, as the universe and all creation is one — as Christ's divine and human natures could not be separated.

Without ever quoting Scripture, Mulholland reinforced Christ's teachings from the Sermon on the Mount, which never once mentions the importance of faith, but reminds us time and time again that the truth of our salvation lies in what we do in the physical realm: our works. We may not come to justification through works, but without works — the behavioral proof of our internal conversion — we have no salvation.

Mulholland was encouraging us to seek truth, as opposed to blindly embracing ideology. What he showed us was that the physical realm mattered, because that is where the proof exists (that is, what we experience with our senses) about what goes on inside our hearts. Looking back, we believe that Mulholland was trying to change a heretical Gnostic perception in Evangelical Christianity that quietly held to a belief that physical matter (such as our bodies) was evil, and the spiritual soul was all that was good.

When Pam and I became Catholic, we looked back at our time with Dr. Mulholland and wondered why he wasn't Catholic. To us, a critical difference between Catholicism and Evangelicalism was Catholicism's embrace of the physical realm as good, through the sacraments and the unrelenting emphasis on the Incarnation (God, a spirit, became Man, a physical being, through Mary's cooperation). Evangelical's embrace of the spiritual often excluded the physical.

In the end, Mulholland's pursuit of truth was very similar to Catholicism's pursuit. In Evangelicalism I was always trying to cram Bible verses into a set of ideological beliefs; it was somewhat like reverse engineering the Bible. Rather than starting from Scripture and forming religious belief, Protestantism started from a series of objections (about Catholicism) and in, an effort to replace the Pope's authority, settled on the Bible Alone (and a lot of misguided interpretation) to reinforce their political suppositions.

What we discovered in Mulholland's teaching, was that while we cannot avoid starting with presuppositions — there are no truly clean slates — we need to start with basic presuppositions rather than "front-loaded," circular ones. Protestants — especially Calvinists — often include their theology in their premises without proof, leading to circular reasoning. But Catholicism works very hard at being open to all truth, working relentlessly to listen to objections and engage participants in honest, rational, slow, deliberate dialogue. In fact, the Catholic sense of reason fully embraces the scientific method, which it helped to establish through scientists such as Roger Bacon, Nicolas Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, and Blaise Pascal.

"What, what!" you say? "That can't be! Faith and science are polar opposites. Faith is faith and it's all about what you can't see or observe. And science is only what can be observed. They can't be the same, and there is no way that the scientific method and Christianity go together."

Hmmm? Sounds like a good place to stop and pick up next time, when we examine in Part 2 of The Truth Seeking Principle how science and Christianity are very much cut from the same mold.

In the meantime, join me for a discussion of these topics on logic and current events on The John Kruse Show at www.WDTKAM.COM [link http://www.wdtkam.com/] Tuesdays and Thursdays from 9-10 PM Eastern, and check out the show's website at ReasonAndFaith.Net [link: http://www.reasonandfaith.net/] where the list of these articles can be accessed along with other notes about the show.


Stan,

Neither Bill or Sean are perfect, but I think you are a little over the top.  I agree that ideally they would be perfect hosts, and Sean would promote NFP.  By the way are you overweight, ever dring too much or perhaps even smoke? 

You have bigger fish to fry Sir, starting with a lot of Priests I know who don't preach about or push the tougher Catholic teachings themselves.  How about taking on Oprah and discussing how many Catholic women are following her off the cliff.  If you don't know anything about it you should check her out.  Whe are Priests not talking about her and her dangerous cult?  Why aren't you?

To pick apart Bill and Sean who are the only people I am aware of in the mainstream media who claim to be Catholic (excluding EWTN), and who at least are tring to keep God in society and fighting moral decay seems a bit 'over the edge'.


Stan,

I agree with you so completely in regards to O'Reilly and Hannity and would rather, unlike your previous commentor, they didn't identify themselves as Catholics because, as I say in an upcoming article regarding the burying of St. Joseph statues for "good luck" in selling homes, we Catholic don't need the bad press.  Father Euteneur is completely correct in his assessment of the ways in which such people use their "bully pulpits" and I, for one, find it offensive,personally, as a Catholic. 

Once again, Stan, your words have great "logic and reason" and we are fortunate that you take the time and make the effort to share your insights, which are quite, well, insightful!

God bless,

Cheryl


      I find those two shows too confrontational, and refuse to watch them, as they disturb my peace of mind. As you said, they are not looking for real truth, and will not find it in that way.


Well I agree the encounter between Hannity and Fr Euteneur was extremely embarrassing for someone who generally likes his show.  I wrote to them also asking him to reconsider his statements. 

Why like it?  because while they do accomplish their fair share of bullying at times they also allow opposing points of view.  At least a lot more than a lot of shows that pretend to present opposing views but have a far harsher bias, even if done subtly.  At times that cut to the chase manner is necessary because far too often the 30 second soundbite is filled with smoke that does not answer the question.  Sometimes (not Fr Euteneur) these people have to be treatly sharply so they will answer the question rather than fill the allotted time with garbage and a smile and get let off the hook.  They are used to kid glove treatment from the majority of the media because the media loves to collaborate with them.  MSM reporters pretend to ask a tough question, they get a fluff answer in response, and the reporter smiles and moves on to the next fluff question.  They say they are investigative journalists but inreality are simply left wing informercials

 Are Hannity and O'Reilly wrong at times yes.  Their Catholicism is at times off the mark Have they been embarrassing as Catholics?  Yes - but they do contribute to a diaoogue that often gets more truth than other programs that seem to offer more time but are less open to truth than they are.  60 Minutes, PBS's News Hour and others may seem more genteel but in fact are far more insidious in their faux truth than the occasional bullying by O'Reilly and the theological missteps done by Hannity.  Bill Moyers spends a whole hour on his "documentaries" and tells nothing but left wing garbage.  60 Minutes spends a whole hour but is much more a bully then Hannity or O'Reilly.  60 Minutes lies by their editing.

 That said it was a good article as always although I would be careful about the public speculation of the length of time needed for one's confession that is dangerously close to the bullying and ad hominem attacks of which you accuse O'Reilly and Hannity.  Beisdes Larry Richards actually says, if I remember his talks correctly, that confessions could be knocked out in less than 5 minutes and that his standard penance is simply one Our Father. ;-)


Bravo.  I'm glad to hear it!  Journalism today has become a real travesty.  The principle goes something like this.....find all the negative points on everything and if there are more positive than negative, distort the positive so they appear to be negative.  Ultimately, do everything you can do at all costs to sell your show, publication, etc.  I'm tired of it.  That's why my TV watching is at an all time minimum.  Don't seek the truth through the media, because you'll likely have a hard time finding it.


I'm sending this article to all our RCIA participants to relate to our discussion last week about giving scandal  --such as public  figures or leaders who are Catholic publicly disssenting while claiming to be Catholic-- leading lots of less erudite Catholics  into error

--but what a great article this is on so many counts-- lots of good food for thought-and once again reminds me that the Church can not be partisan; not left or right. The Truth is the Truth. My frequent prayer as a young person was to discern and believe the truth--it is so precious to us and it does upset me that some educated Catholics have a "bully" pulpit and instead of serving truth and the Church, they serve partisan and personal predilections.


It's really troubling that Catholics believe Sean and Bill are fighting moral decay.  They are part of the problem. 

 

Thank you, Mr. Williams, for a great article!


Bravo! Williams, you hit the right issues in this article. Both O'Reilly and Hannity are sophomoric in their Catholicism, if not off the air then on the air, certainly.

Fr. Morris was on last night and Sean had to childishly chime in that he says his prayers every night. What was Fr. Morris suppose to say? Most of the Catholics in the public view are like the young man in the Gospel who told our Lord how he follows the law and gives to the poor etc. When told to sell everything and "follow Me" he walked away.

I know that these programs are more of a sport than substance so I occasionally watch them for entertainment. The media by its nature and structure is not a forum for deeply philosophical deliberations. It's a product of American commercialism, Protestant scripture soundbitism populated by fame seeking self-proclaimed and self-promoting "experts". All these people are totally undereducated in the Classics. Media depth and gravity is that of the surrounding pop-culture.

In all of that, "our" talking heads are a country mile superior to their liberal counterparts who are unabashed in their ignorance. In that I’ll second the comments of Pmccrsp.


"...Sean had to childishly chime in that he says his prayers every night. What was Fr. Morris suppose to say?"

Fr. Morris could have said, "Sean, God does not want your outward demonstration of pius actions, nor does He want your inward commitment of spiritual belief. He wants both — He wants you!  And He wants me! All of you! And all of me! Because He loves us; He suffered and died for love of us." 

I think that would fit in a 15 second sound bite...


PTR, I like it. I won't ask you - now go on the air and say that, because I know you could.


Thank you one, and (almost) all for the encouragement to pursue Truth at all costs. For those of you that think my criticism was over the top, please note that this series, and this article, are first of all NOT about criticizing culture (or Hannity and O'Reilly), but ARE about what constitutes good REASON in the embrace of our faith. One of the ways we learn how to think critically, is to examine the bad examples in the culture, especially by people who are in the public eye who claim to be all about the seeking of truth. Our goal in this series is to help ourselves not to commit the fallacious thinking that is so popular but unfortunate in our culture, especially when it is made by named Catholics who give thinking a bad rap.

 

 


 Stan,

you lost me here.

Selecting Bill O'reilly - among the many spin masters, vile ideologues and  anchor clowns  that populate the small screen -  to make your point

 is arguably beyond the pale.

With his limits, Bill O'reilly seems to me the closest thing to an apostle of common sense.

Your gratuitous  attack [But O'Reilly, regardless of his position on the issues, is a demagogue when it comes to seeking the truth, unless it's his truth] is really a tarnishing drop of style within an article warning about searching the truth while avoiding fallacies and keeping the mind cool.

G-d Bless.


Reachrai: You are no doubt right, that I used a "really tarnishing drop of style" in an article about seeking truth. I posited an opinion about O'Reilly that was not backed up with appropriate evidence. I promise to correct that in a future article, and present evidence that suggests name calling (whether it be "demagogue" or something from O'Reilly's vast derogatory lexicon) is not what seekers of truth do. Again, the article is about how we need to seek truth, and only as an example did I selected O'Reilly because he claims to be Catholic and yet does not act like an apostle of truth, but rather an apostle of Bill O'Reilly. Do you see the problem here?


How shallow a Roman Catholic man is this? His ability to reason always has had a deficit in moral areas. Listen to his fake laugh. I stopped listening to him a while back. This can be a problem with anyone who thinks that they know more than the Church.


As much as I like these programs to some extent, when either of these Catholic school products delves into matters Catholic, I have to turn the channel.  Both of them prove that Catholic schooling is partly to blame for the crisis of faith in the modern world as neither seems to know or profess basic tenets of the faith, especially regarding human sexuality.  They only give guests 30 seconds to respond because that is the limit of their own knowlege of the subject and they can't fathom that anyone else knows more.


Dear Stan,

your response is an example of fair-minded-ness  and honesty: a rare and close-to-extinction habit among debaters.

While I agree on the less than well defined  Catholic  identity in Bill O'reilly

I remain convinced that he stands alone in the media panorama for an instictive common sense and serach for truth.

On this, I suppose, we have to brotherly disagree.

I am sure that if we had tiime and opportunity, by looking at the evidence, we could come to an agreement. But this is a very hypothetical scenario.

In conclusion:

Thanks and G-d Bless.


Dr. Williams, no correction is needed. Your article was direct and truthful. So called "journalists" like O'Reilly and Hannity are disgraceful hate-mongers and hucksters who themselves are the ultimate "spinners" of untruths. They promote or denegrate Catholicism (or anything else) to suit their own needs regardless of truth. Television shows like these are the direct result of so-called Christian conservatives poluting the airwaves as well as politics. How any real Catholic can call themselves fans of O'Reilly or Hannity, or anyone else of their ilk is beyond my understanding. The very "news" organization they belong to, Fox News, is anathma to Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. Everything these shameless self-promoters spout in their endless, angry tirades are in direct opposition to what Christ taught.  Keep up your marvelous writing, as it's encouraging to see a real Catholic jump into the fray with genuine truth.






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